Friday, October 20, 2017

Cursed Be the Man That Trusteth in Man

I offer an analogy to explain something I have myself erred in.

Joseph, following Paul, taught:
The Church is a compact body composed of different members, and is strictly analogous to the human system, and Paul, after speaking of the different gifts, says, "Now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular; and God hath set some in the Church, first Apostles, secondarily Prophets, thirdly Teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healing, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all Teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?" It is evident that they do not; yet are they all members of one body. All members of the natural body are not the eye, the ear, the head or the hand--yet the eye cannot say to the ear, I have no need of thee, nor the head to the foot, I have no need of thee; they are all so many component parts in the perfect machines--the one body; and if one member suffer, the whole of the members suffer with it; and if one member rejoice, all the rest are honored with it. - TPJS p. 244
In this analogy, the mouth of the body of Christ is a, or the, prophet.  When we as individual human beings speak, we do not speak to our body in order to instruct our body in how to operate.  We don't speak to members of our body, but to those who are not part of our body.  That which is our body responds to our will, not our voice.  So it is in the body of Christ: the members have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide - it serving as the will of the body - and need not that any man should teach them.  Again: the mouth speaks not to the body, but to those who are not of the body.

Imagine, if you can, that as you spoke to someone else saying "Jump!," your hand, in apparent response to your words (and not your will), lept off your arm, moving entirely on its own.  If that happened, you'd probably be horrified beyond words, and you would instantly realize a couple of things - first, that your hand was in reality an altogether separate being from yourself that had only been pretending to be part of you, and second, that you'd prefer to kill it with fire rather than ever accept it as your hand again.  It isn't part of you.  And you'd be afterwards filled with grief, pain, and loss - it was your hand, after all, and now you don't have one, and you would wish things could be like they were before, and that this had never happened.

So it is when someone who has been visited with fire and the Holy Ghost, and has received a remission of their sins, hearkens to the voice of a man rather than wait and rely upon the direct word of the Lord.  For in receiving the Holy Ghost we become part of the Lord's church, members of his body, and had ought to respond solely to his direct will and word by the Spirit.  For such an one to then take any man's word and act solely upon that word as though it were from the Lord, even if the one whose word is taken as the Lord's word is a prophet, such an one is cursed of the Lord, cut off (or severed) from his presence, and prepared for burning.

This is the point of the incident between the two prophets in 1 Kings 13.  The one prophet hearkened to the other prophet's words over the Lord's words directly to himself and was slain for it.

To be plain in speaking, for one who claims to have received the Holy Ghost, to follow any man's words, even a prophet's, without getting direct instructions from the Lord, is either to reveal oneself to not be a member of the Lord's church but a pretender to the Lord's faith, or else he is then cut off from the presence of the Lord, cast back out to the telestial world, where indeed they are some of Paul, and some of Joseph, and some of Denver - followers not of the Holy Spirit but of men, some of them true prophets.  Yet even then the unseen angels still instruct at the word of the Lord and await the signs and tokens of discipleship, the works of righteousness, even the fruits meet for repentance - deeds conforming to the law and commandments of God.

I believe there will be some out there who know exactly what I am talking about in this.

A prophet is only of use to you inasmuch as he teaches the commandments of God whereby you by doing them may yourself repent of all your sins and receive the visitation of the Holy Ghost and a remission of your sins and become a member of the body of Christ, taking the Holy Spirit for your guide.  Otherwise, he is of no use to you at all.


Speaking of teaching the commandments of God, I wonder if anyone would like to compile all the references Denver Snuffer has made to the Sermon on the Mount, the law and commandments of Jesus Christ to all mankind, throughout all his talks and writings.  I would encourage you to start with his LA talk and go backwards to the Covenant convention talks and so on to The Second Comforter.  To "give them no reason to fear you" as Denver said in his closing remarks in the Boise Covenant Closing Remarks would require turning the other cheek, judging not, reviling not, and so on as taught in the Sermon, wouldn't it?

I wonder how long it will take before someone starts to understand what Denver has been saying all these years - that the path back into the presence of God is the literal execution of the Lord's law and commandments: the Sermon on the Mount.

"The greatest instruction that I know to have been given by God at any time, to any generation, is a rule of community found in the Sermon on the Mount and in the Sermon at Bountiful." - Denver Snuffer, Boise Covenant Conference, Opening Remarks

Perhaps the Sermon on the Mount should be considered seriously as our Guide and Standard, or our Statement of Principles, as has been proposed.

Come, let us reason together:

Monday, October 16, 2017

What We Don't Need

Each fellowship functions as what the Book of Mormon calls a church; inasmuch as nothing was taught in the churches save it be repentance and faith on God, according to the Book of Mormon, then they all were the church of God. For any man or group to reach into all the churches and dictate how they shall relate to each other, and how they shall distribute their substance, is not a light thing and requires wisdom. I don’t know about you, but I don’t have sufficient wisdom to reach into each one of your fellowships and tell you how to conduct your business. The Lord, however, does have that wisdom, and I suggest we listen to him and take his words in the Sermon on the Mount as our statement of principles and our guide and standard.

No man is acting as prophet without saying “Thus saith the Lord,” or its functional equivalent. Either you are acting as the mouthpiece of the Lord and have your message from him to deliver word-for-word, or else you are not. “The Spirit moved upon me / us” is insufficient. If you have it from God, you can either quote him, or you can explain it from the ground up. If you aren’t quoting him, and cannot explain it, then it will be very hard to persuade others you are correct - and persuade you must, since this must be by mutual agreement. See D&C 121.

We don’t need a creed - a declaration of beliefs. The Lord didn’t ask for one. He asked us for a statement of principles, which are rules of behavior. He asked us for a guide and standard - a tool to direct and measure behavior. And he’s already provided a written statement of principles, a written guide and a standard, that all mankind is required to abide for salvation: the Sermon on the Mount. See 1 Nephi 13:40-41, and then see Luke 6:20-49, Matthew 5-7, and 3 Nephi 12-14.

The priesthood of God does not need us to provide them with directions on how to perform the rites, for either the priests have their instructions from God or they aren’t his priests. Also, God calls his own priests. Therefore we do not need to publish the rules concerning ordination to the priesthood, neither do we need to provide directions on how to perform the rites, nor have we need to mention any rite other than baptism, in the guide and standard. Those who really want to know about such matters can search the scriptures. There is no reason to enable pretenders by publishing to the world things which do not concern them. We can see the result of enabling pretenders in 4th Nephi.

We don’t need tithing. The Lord has given us his statement of principles, his guide and standard, on the administration of the substance he has placed in our individual hands in the Sermon on the Mount. If we were observing the Sermon, which is the Lord’s statement of principles, his written guide and standard, we would, as the Nephites and the primitive Christians, “have all things common.” This is possible to do within the fellowships. None among us within the fellowships would call anything he possessed his own. We’d be equal, both temporally and spiritually.

Let us not lay more on anyone than the Lord has laid upon everyone: the Sermon. Let us not lay less upon anyone than the Lord has laid upon everyone: the Sermon. Let us teach one another the Sermon on the Mount, exhort one another to observe it diligently, and publish it to the world, that they may also believe Jesus's words even as little children, repent of all their sins, be baptized by one of his sent servants, receive the Holy Ghost, and obey Jesus's words until the end and be saved, even as we have done and are doing.

Why would any disciple of Jesus Christ do otherwise? See JST Matthew 5:21-22.

Come, let us reason together:

Friday, October 13, 2017

We Have One Job

The Lord's work is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

Eternal life is to know God and Jesus Christ.

Knowing God and Jesus Christ comes by keeping the law and commandments of Christ.

The guide is the Holy Spirit.

The standard is the law.

The principles are the commandments.

To gather is to teach.

To walk in Christ’s ways is to keep his law and commandments.

To honor is to obey.

To serve God is to keep his law and commandments.

If one of us is “The Servant of God,” then the rest of us are not.

If one of us is above all of us, then we are not equal.

If we are not equal, then we are not one.

If we are not one, then we are not Christ’s.

Wednesday, October 4, 2017

"Building Up Zion" - A Proposal for a Guide and Standard, or Statement of Principles

I submit this proposal, entitled "Building Up Zion," for consideration by the body as the entire Guide and Standard, or Statement of Principles:

KJV Luke 6:20-49
20 ¶ And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.
23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
27 ¶ But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
41 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.
43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
46 ¶ And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

The ways humanity tries to bring about justice, peace, and unity do not and cannot work. History and current events are proof that competing against, controlling, or manipulating others always results in disunity, conflict, injustice, and inequality. Yet competition, force, and manipulation are how humanity has chosen to govern itself.  Jesus offers us the sole alternative to humanity’s self-destructive ways: love.

The law of God is this: every last thing you wish others would do to you, do those exact same things to them. This law defines the behavior of perfect love, which is called “charity.” God’s law is the true moral and ethical standard of all humankind, being written into every conscience, and it is the definition of “good.” Behavior that falls short of this law is not good and produces both guilt and conflict with others.

The purpose of the law of God is to end conflict between people. Those who willingly keep His law may joyfully and peacefully live together as equals, both here and now, and forever in the eternal world. The commandments that Jesus gave us in the Sermon on the Mount are how we are to obey the law of God through our works and end our conflicts with others.

Love, the feeling which makes us want to do what the law of God commands, is given to us by God. Charity is Jesus’s nature, meaning He feels perfect love towards everyone. Charity is the nature of all those who inherit God’s kingdom with Jesus. Jesus’s commandments in the Sermon on the Mount are the actions which those who have charity do by nature.

“Sin” is intent or action which falls short of the law of God, such as giving in to lust and doing to others what we do not wish others would do to us. “Repent” means to change one’s mind, to reconsider, or to relent.

Any who will believe Jesus’s words in the Sermon on the Mount as literally as small children believe their parents’ words, and repent of all their sins, and be baptized by one of His sent servants, shall be visited by God with fire and with the Holy Ghost and shall receive a remission of their sins.

The visitation of the Holy Ghost changes our feelings so that we understand Jesus’s love and want to only do good. Then we are to do what Jesus commands until the end of our lives.  We trust in Jesus to guide and comfort us in our trials and afflictions as we learn who and what He is by the things we suffer in obedience to His teachings. Just as one does not learn a new skill without practice, nobody can understand nor master the discipline of perfect love without doing its works. Doing the works Jesus commanded until we fully understand Him and freely agree to become what He is and to receive His nature from Him permanently as a gift by His grace so that we love everyone perfectly just like He does is what it means to be a disciple of Jesus.

For memebers of the body, I welcome comment or questions here:

Friday, September 29, 2017

We Need to Talk

For those who have entered into the covenant offered through Denver Snuffer, we have been placed under obligation to write a statement of principles, or a guide and standard, and to adopt it by mutual agreement.

It is not the case that all of us must write the statement, but it is the case that all of us must adopt it by mutual agreement on the final product, because the Lord commands.  Because the agreement must be mutual, one of us can block all of us in this thing - forever.  Therefore we must needs humble ourselves one to another and reason together.

Therefore, I believe it would be of benefit to all of us to have an open forum with minimal oversight to discuss the production of this statement of principles, where we may reason together without autocratic control.  I have procured such a forum here: .

Matthew Crockett hosts the forum.  He is not a party to the covenant offered through Denver Snuffer.  Because he does not have a vested interest in the outcome of our efforts, he can serve as a neutral host to our dialogues and discussions.

To any who have assented to the covenant, come, let us reason together, and see if we can be wise in word and kind in deed as we apply what the Lord has given us.

Addendum: I have proposed the following as a Guide and Standard: "Building Up Zion", and welcome comment or question from the body at the forum made mention of above.

Monday, September 11, 2017

It Does Not Have to Be This Way

So, having unworthily entered into the covenant offered through Denver Snuffer on 9/3/17, I have bound myself to the Gentiles. I have therefore got an obligation “to assist all others who covenant to likewise accept this standard [the Book of Mormon and the scriptures] to govern their lives to keep the Lord’s will[.]”

Will you who have accepted the covenant, worthily, accept my unworthy assistance? If so, I offer this to you.

It has come to my attention that some who have agreed to the covenant have begun deriding or scorning or mocking those whom they once fellowshipped with who did not enter into the covenant. Some of these being mocked did not agree to the covenant, having abstained solely because they could not answer question 1 in the affirmative, and decided to maintain their integrity rather than compromise themselves before God, angels, and men. Unlike me, I might add, who said “yes” that I knew the covenant was from God when, in retrospect, I only believed - strongly enough to drive to Boise, but only believed nonetheless. If anyone deserves mockery and scorn and derision, it is me.

These others who maintained their integrity, not answering “yes” for the sole reason that they could not answer question 1 in the affirmative, yet believe that the covenant is of God, deserve neither scorn nor mockery nor derision for their righteousness in this thing. Question 1 was, for these, a test of integrity which they have passed.

This division doesn’t have to be this way.

We read:
Alma 1
21 Now there was a strict law among the people of the church, that there should not any man, belonging to the church, arise and persecute those that did not belong to the church, and that there should be no persecution among themselves.
22 Nevertheless, there were many among them who began to be proud, and began to contend warmly with their adversaries, even unto blows; yea, they would smite one another with their fists.
23 Now this was in the second year of the reign of Alma, and it was a cause of much affliction to the church; yea, it was the cause of much trial with the church.
24 For the hearts of many were hardened, and their names were blotted out, that they were remembered no more among the people of God. And also many withdrew themselves from among them.

Those were the proud who professed to have covenanted with God. What of the rest?

25 Now this was a great trial to those that did stand fast in the faith; nevertheless, they were steadfast and immovable in keeping the commandments of God, and they bore with patience the persecution which was heaped upon them.
26 And when the priests left their labor to impart the word of God unto the people, the people also left their labors to hear the word of God. And when the priest had imparted unto them the word of God they all returned again diligently unto their labors; and the priest, not esteeming himself above his hearers, for the preacher was no better than the hearer, neither was the teacher any better than the learner; and thus they were all equal, and they did all labor, every man according to his strength.
27 And they did impart of their substance, every man according to that which he had, to the poor, and the needy, and the sick, and the afflicted; and they did not wear costly apparel, yet they were neat and comely.
28 And thus they did establish the affairs of the church; and thus they began to have continual peace again, notwithstanding all their persecutions.

Between these two groups, which one was in spirit and in truth the people of God?

And we see, again, in Helaman:

Helaman 3
33 And in the fifty and first year of the reign of the judges there was peace also, save it were the pride which began to enter into the church—not into the church of God, but into the hearts of the people who professed to belong to the church of God—
34 And they were lifted up in pride, even to the persecution of many of their brethren. Now this was a great evil, which did cause the more humble part of the people to suffer great persecutions, and to wade through much affliction.
35 Nevertheless they did fast and pray oft, and did wax stronger and stronger in their humility, and firmer and firmer in the faith of Christ, unto the filling their souls with joy and consolation, yea, even to the purifying and the sanctification of their hearts, which sanctification cometh because of their yielding their hearts unto God.
36 And it came to pass that the fifty and second year ended in peace also, save it were the exceedingly great pride which had gotten into the hearts of the people; and it was because of their exceedingly great riches and their prosperity in the land; and it did grow upon them from day to day.

How did this end?

Helaman 4
11 Now this great loss of the Nephites, and the great slaughter which was among them, would not have happened had it not been for their wickedness and their abomination which was among them; yea, and it was among those also who professed to belong to the church of God.
12 And it was because of the pride of their hearts, because of their exceeding riches, yea, it was because of their oppression to the poor, withholding their food from the hungry, withholding their clothing from the naked, and smiting their humble brethren upon the cheek, making a mock of that which was sacred, denying the spirit of prophecy and of revelation, murdering, plundering, lying, stealing, committing adultery, rising up in great contentions, and deserting away into the land of Nephi, among the Lamanites—
13 And because of this their great wickedness, and their boastings in their own strength, they were left in their own strength; therefore they did not prosper, but were afflicted and smitten, and driven before the Lamanites, until they had lost possession of almost all their lands.

They lost almost all their lands for their lying, smiting their humble brethren, contention, boasting in their own strength, oppressing the poor, and withholding their food and clothing from the needy - they personally passed up the poor, despite the commandments of God to the contrary.

We are supposed to be forming a society which replicates heaven on Earth, being ultimately of one heart and one mind, but how can we have that society when we are so insecure in our position before God that we mock, scorn, and deride those who have declined to compromise their integrity before God?

Is not mockery, scorn, and derision of outsiders the behavior of the denizens of the great and spacious building recounted in the Book of Mormon?

1 Nephi 8
26 And I also cast my eyes round about, and beheld, on the other side of the river of water, a great and spacious building; and it stood as it were in the air, high above the earth.
27 And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female; and their manner of dress was exceedingly fine; and they were in the attitude of mocking and pointing their fingers towards those who had come at and were partaking of the fruit.
28 And after they had tasted of the fruit they were ashamed, because of those that were scoffing at them; and they fell away into forbidden paths and were lost.
29 And now I, Nephi, do not speak all the words of my father.
30 But, to be short in writing, behold, he saw other multitudes pressing forward; and they came and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press their way forward, continually holding fast to the rod of iron, until they came forth and fell down and partook of the fruit of the tree.
31 And he also saw other multitudes feeling their way towards that great and spacious building.
32 And it came to pass that many were drowned in the depths of the fountain; and many were lost from his view, wandering in strange roads.
33 And great was the multitude that did enter into that strange building. And after they did enter into that building they did point the finger of scorn at me and those that were partaking of the fruit also; but we heeded them not.
34 These are the words of my father: For as many as heeded them, had fallen away.

We don’t read that the humble returned mockery for mockery, nor scorn for scorn, but simply that they “heeded [the mockers and the scorners] not.”

If we are the Lord’s people, and have that perfect surety of knowledge of the foundation upon which we stand, then had we not ought to seek to bring others to this same knowledge, rather than divide those who have not compromised their integrity from our company and ostracize them? And how else can one bring them to the same surety of knowledge which one has except by being an example of believers, as we see in the Book of Mormon?

Thursday, September 7, 2017

Jesus as the God of Nature

As the song says, “Everybody Wants to Rule the World,” but who wants to be the Earth?

In that light, consider the following passages:

D&C 88:1-13
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you who have assembled yourselves together to receive his will concerning you:
2 Behold, this is pleasing unto your Lord, and the angels rejoice over you; the alms of your prayers have come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, and are recorded in the book of the names of the sanctified, even them of the celestial world.
3 Wherefore, I now send upon you another Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John.
4 This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom;
5 Which glory is that of the church of the Firstborn, even of God, the holiest of all, through Jesus Christ his Son—
6 He that ascended up on high, as also he descended below all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth;
7 Which truth shineth. This is the light of Christ. As also he is in the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made.
8 As also he is in the moon, and is the light of the moon, and the power thereof by which it was made;
9 As also the light of the stars, and the power thereof by which they were made;
10 And the earth also, and the power thereof, even the earth upon which you stand.
11 And the light which shineth, which giveth you light, is through him who enlighteneth your eyes, which is the same light that quickeneth your understandings;
12 Which light proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space—
13 The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things.

41 He comprehendeth all things, and all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things; and all things are by him, and of him, even God, forever and ever.
42 And again, verily I say unto you, he hath given a law unto all things, by which they move in their times and their seasons;
43 And their courses are fixed, even the courses of the heavens and the earth, which comprehend the earth and all the planets.
44 And they give light to each other in their times and in their seasons, in their minutes, in their hours, in their days, in their weeks, in their months, in their years—all these are one year with God, but not with man.
45 The earth rolls upon her wings, and the sun giveth his light by day, and the moon giveth her light by night, and the stars also give their light, as they roll upon their wings in their glory, in the midst of the power of God.
46 Unto what shall I liken these kingdoms, that ye may understand?
47 Behold, all these are kingdoms, and any man who hath seen any or the least of these hath seen God moving in his majesty and power.
48 I say unto you, he hath seen him; nevertheless, he who came unto his own was not comprehended.

As if to say we see him but do not comprehend that it is him.

Mosiah 2
20 I say unto you, my brethren, that if you should render all the thanks and praise which your whole soul has power to possess, to that God who has created you, and has kept and preserved you, and has caused that ye should rejoice, and has granted that ye should live in peace one with another—
21 I say unto you that if ye should serve him who has created you from the beginning, and is preserving you from day to day, by lending you breath, that ye may live and move and do according to your own will, and even supporting you from one moment to another—I say, if ye should serve him with all your whole souls yet ye would be unprofitable servants.
22 And behold, all that he requires of you is to keep his commandments; and he has promised you that if ye would keep his commandments ye should prosper in the land; and he never doth vary from that which he hath said; therefore, if ye do keep his commandments he doth bless you and prosper you.
23 And now, in the first place, he hath created you, and granted unto you your lives, for which ye are indebted unto him.
24 And secondly, he doth require that ye should do as he hath commanded you; for which if ye do, he doth immediately bless you; and therefore he hath paid you. And ye are still indebted unto him, and are, and will be, forever and ever; therefore, of what have ye to boast?
25 And now I ask, can ye say aught of yourselves? I answer you, Nay. Ye cannot say that ye are even as much as the dust of the earth; yet ye were created of the dust of the earth; but behold, it belongeth to him who created you.

Our bodies are not ours, but his, and he is in and through them, as he is in all things, sustaining us in our bodies moment by moment - no distant clockmaker God is he. We do not live in the naturalistic / materialistic universe we are propagandized with in our schools.

1 Nephi 19:7-17
7 For the things which some men esteem to be of great worth, both to the body and soul, others set at naught and trample under their feet. Yea, even the very God of Israel do men trample under their feet; I say, trample under their feet but I would speak in other words—they set him at naught, and hearken not to the voice of his counsels.
8 And behold he cometh, according to the words of the angel, in six hundred years from the time my father left Jerusalem.
9 And the world, because of their iniquity, shall judge him to be a thing of naught; wherefore they scourge him, and he suffereth it; and they smite him, and he suffereth it. Yea, they spit upon him, and he suffereth it, because of his loving kindness and his long-suffering towards the children of men.
10 And the God of our fathers, who were led out of Egypt, out of bondage, and also were preserved in the wilderness by him, yea, the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, yieldeth himself, according to the words of the angel, as a man, into the hands of wicked men, to be lifted up, according to the words of Zenock, and to be crucified, according to the words of Neum, and to be buried in a sepulchre, according to the words of Zenos, which he spake concerning the three days of darkness, which should be a sign given of his death unto those who should inhabit the isles of the sea, more especially given unto those who are of the house of Israel.
11 For thus spake the prophet: The Lord God surely shall visit all the house of Israel at that day, some with his voice, because of their righteousness, unto their great joy and salvation, and others with the thunderings and the lightnings of his power, by tempest, by fire, and by smoke, and vapor of darkness, and by the opening of the earth, and by mountains which shall be carried up.
12 And all these things must surely come, saith the prophet Zenos. And the rocks of the earth must rend; and because of the groanings of the earth, many of the kings of the isles of the sea shall be wrought upon by the Spirit of God, to exclaim: The God of nature suffers. [The Spirit speaketh the truth and lieth not (Jacob 4:13)]
13 And as for those who are at Jerusalem, saith the prophet, they shall be scourged by all people, because they crucify the God of Israel, and turn their hearts aside, rejecting signs and wonders, and the power and glory of the God of Israel.
14 And because they turn their hearts aside, saith the prophet, and have despised the Holy One of Israel, they shall wander in the flesh, and perish, and become a hiss and a byword, and be hated among all nations.
15 Nevertheless, when that day cometh, saith the prophet, that they no more turn aside their hearts against the Holy One of Israel, then will he remember the covenants which he made to their fathers.
16 Yea, then will he remember the isles of the sea; yea, and all the people who are of the house of Israel, will I gather in, saith the Lord, according to the words of the prophet Zenos, from the four quarters of the earth.
17 Yea, and all the earth shall see the salvation of the Lord, saith the prophet; every nation, kindred, tongue and people shall be blessed.

Jesus is the God of Nature.

3 Nephi 11:14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.

So what does this passage imply?

Mosiah 3:19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.

If Jesus is the God of Nature, what would it mean to submit to all things he sees fit to inflict upon us?

Do not the ways of Babylon cut us off from Nature? Isn't controlling and exploiting Nature (not to mention each other) the point of science, medicine, and engineering? Of interest in this context is that it seems the Lord confounded the languages at Babel to slow down man's technological advancement (Genesis 11:6).

Maybe it's time to rethink our approach to Nature, as well as each other, in the light of his commandments and teachings. Can Zion be controlling and exploitative of Nature and each other, as Babylon is?