Thursday, December 7, 2017

The Logical Case for The Rock of Jesus Christ

  • We have nothing to say to those who have taken the Holy Ghost for their guide; they have no need for any mortal to teach them.
  • Therefore the written guide and standard is only for those who have not yet received the Holy Ghost.
  • The only thing we have to offer them that is of any benefit to them is how to receive the Holy Ghost, which is the channel by which the Lord informs men of his work, and is the means by which the Lord leads men unto salvation, the greatest of blessings.
  • The way to receive the Holy Ghost is to repent, and become as a little child, and be baptized in the name of Christ by one of his sent servants.
  • Believing the Sermon as literally as a little child would understand the words therein is to become as a little child.
  • Doing always the works commanded in the Sermon while trusting the Lord above all defines repentance.
  • For me to teach more than these things to those who have not received the Holy Ghost, without a direct commandment from God to me, is to usurp the role of the Holy Ghost - deciding myself what others should know or do, becoming their guide, bringing them to trust in me - and would curse, harm, and misinform, and does not fulfill the Lord's requirements.
  • For me to teach less than these things will not enable men to receive the Holy Ghost and will not bless, benefit, nor inform those who know nothing of the Lord's work, and does not fulfill the Lord's requirements.

Wednesday, December 6, 2017

That They May Stumble

Jacob 4:14-16
[T]he Jews were a stiffnecked people; and they despised the words of plainness, and killed the prophets, and sought for things that they could not understand. Wherefore, because of their blindness, which blindness came by looking beyond the mark, they must needs fall; for God hath taken away his plainness from them, and delivered unto them many things which they cannot understand, because they desired it. And because they desired it God hath done it, that they may stumble. [B]y the stumbling of the Jews they will reject the stone upon which they might build and have safe foundation. But behold, according to the scriptures, this stone shall become the great, and the last, and the only sure foundation, upon which the Jews can build.
The Jews rejected and killed the prophets, despised plain words, and sought for things which they could not understand. So God took away his plainness and gave them many things that they could not understand, because they wanted it; and because they wanted it, God did it, that they could stumble. And this stumbling caused them to reject Jesus Christ, his gospel and his rock and his salvation, the only sure foundation upon which can be built.

The blindness of the Jews came by looking beyond the mark. Sin means "to miss the mark," according to the concordances. James tells us that sin is transgression of the law. If transgression of the law is to miss the mark, then the mark the Jews looked beyond was the law and commandments of God. They weren't interested in the plainly stated message of repentance and faith in God, therefore they did not obtain nor were they led by the Holy Ghost.

The Jews wanted to know what the future held in part for the purpose of making a profit, and they wanted to know about the ordinances of God as part of their conceit as the covenant people of the Lord. So God, by the prophets whom the people had rejected, told the people of the coming of the Lord, the redemption of Israel, the establishment of Zion, and the millennial reign of Christ. They spoke of priesthoods, powers, authority, endowments, and anointings. These were things the people couldn't understand, because they lacked the Holy Ghost, because they would not keep the commandments given in plainness. God gave the people what they wanted once they rejected the prophets' initial message of repentance.

The prophets know they are giving people things which will bring them to stumble and fall. As the Lord said to Isaiah:
Isaiah 6:9-12
And [the Lord] said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, and the Lord have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
Isaiah taught repentance, and gave the covenant people things they could not understand, and they eventually killed him.

One can see this pattern in the ministry of Jesus Christ himself. His first message to the people was the gospel: his doctrine and his law and commandments - the Sermon on the Mount. Once they heard the gospel, he taught in parables which the many unrighteous - which means disobedient - could not understand, while fully explaining them to the few righteous - the obedient. He gave hard sayings which offended the unbelieving and did not explain them even to the righteous. Eventually his covenant people killed him.

So when you hear the prophets speak of priesthoods and powers and authority and orders of angels and other matters of the unseen heavens and rites and the coming of Zion and the latter-day temple and the millennial reign of the Lord, it means the people have rejected the prophets' message of repentance and faith in Christ, and God is giving them what they want, so that they can stumble and fall.

The first message a prophet brings, to turn away from wickedness and keep the commandments of God, is the most important. If that message is rejected, so is the prophet.

Listen to the Lord's words through Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 33:30-32
As for you, son of man, your people are talking together about you by the walls and at the doors of the houses, saying to each other, ‘Come and hear the message that has come from the LORD.’ My people come to you, as they usually do, and sit before you to hear your words, but they do not put them into practice. With their lips they profess to love, but their hearts follow the profits. Indeed, to them you are nothing more than one who sings love songs with a beautiful voice and plays an instrument well, for they hear your words but do not put them into practice.
Even while acclaiming him as an "authorized servant," a "true messenger," they rejected Ezekiel's teachings.

We're doing it now. The first message was the one that mattered.

The Way Mutual Agreement Works

In a request for "clarification" on what he meant by "mutual agreement," the Lord said: "As between one another, you choose to not dispute."  If there are no dissenting voices, then we are mutually agreed to a proposition.  The only "votes" that matter are the dissenters', if there are any.

This simplifies the matter of determining when we as a body are mutually agreed: when nobody publicly dissents.  Silence is assent with this "clarification" from the Lord.  We need not track down every covenant participant to poll them for their agreement; all those who care are already participating.

However, the majority faction decided this meant that they could feign that the body had mutual agreement to the majority proposal so long as the majority declines to speak with the dissenters.

In reality, if you choose not to dispute adopting a proposal, such as The Rock of Jesus Christ: A Statement of Our Principles, you signify your agreement with it.

In other words, mutual agreement works exactly the opposite of the way the majority faction purports to understand it.  When the majority faction gives the silent treatment to the dissenters, they are agreeing with the dissenters' position, which then carries the dissenters' proposal, which in my case is the adoption of The Rock of Jesus Christ, which is the gospel of Jesus Christ, as our sole written guide and standard.

If you abide the Lord's requirements, you shall not get the G&S you want, but you shall get the G&S you need, and the body may be saved.

If you do not abide the Lord's requirements, you shall get the G&S you want, but you shall not get the G&S you need, and the body cannot be saved.

If you do choose to dispute the adoption of The Rock of Jesus Christ, then come, humble yourselves and discuss openly and publicly as equals, as befits the covenant people of God, at a neutral forum provided for this purpose:  Make your reasoning and your name known to the body.  For surely the covenant people of the Lord must have a strong reason to reject the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ as our written guide and standard.

Thus far, there has been no consistent dissent against adopting The Rock of Jesus Christ.

If you choose not to dispute the adoption of The Rock of Jesus Christ: A Statement of Our Principles as our written guide and standard, then publish it in the scriptures and let us move on to other tasks the Lord may lay upon us.

Jared Livesey

Tuesday, December 5, 2017

Come, Humble Yourselves to Openly Discuss the G&S as Equals

All covenant participants who desire to participate in the discussion about the adoption of the guide and standard which the Lord requires of us are still invited to do so at a neutral forum provided for this purpose.

The forum provided for this purpose is a subforum of

The subforum is entitled "Governing Principles Discussion" and is found here:

You will have to register to participate.

Jared Livesey

Monday, December 4, 2017

Many Are Called, but Few Are Chosen

The Lord will have a people who hold his word inviolable.
LDS D&C 98:14-15 I will prove you in all things, whether you will abide in my covenant, even unto death, that you may be found worthy. For if ye will not abide in my covenant ye are not worthy of me.
The word "require" is synonymous with "command" in the context in which the Lord spoke of the G&S (A&C, p. 8).
JST Matthew 16:27 Break not my commandments for to save your lives; for whosoever will save his life in this world, shall lose it in the world to come.
A Word on Mutual Agreement

The Lord said: "I require a statement of principles to be adopted by the mutual agreement of my people, for if you cannot do so you will be unable to accomplish other works that I will require at your hands" (A&C, p. 8).

The phrase mutual agreement means that all parties agree.  If one of the parties dissents from a proposal, then the parties do not have mutual agreement on that proposal.  Another way of saying this is that the parties do not agree to the proposal.

The Lord requires us, as a people, to write a G&S and adopt it by mutual agreement.   If even one party to the covenant dissents from a proposed G&S, then that proposal cannot be adopted because it is not mutually agreed to.  Mutual agreement means that the majority cannot impose upon the minority that which the minority does not agree to, and therefore all must discuss in plain humility as equals.  Only when all parties mutually agree can the body move upon any proposal.

The mutual agreement requirement is freedom from the tyranny of the majority, and a check against mass error.  At least, that is what would happen if the Lord's requirement were honored.

The Scripture and G&S Committees have announced that they will not hold the Lord's requirement for mutual agreement inviolable, but have instead dictated to the body that the G&S shall be adopted by "the voice of the people," which is another name for "majority rules."  Now there is no need to persuade dissenters, or be persuaded by dissenters, so long as a faction has a majority of votes.  Thus we now have reintroduced the tyranny of the majority, and removed the Lord's check upon mass error.

Instead of letting the Lord control the process by the requirements he has set forth in the A&C, the Scripture and G&S Committees have declared they shall control the process of adopting a G&S and have usurped authority to declare certain G&S proposals unacceptable and remove the ability of the body to adopt them.  Among these G&S proposals which the Committees have deprived the people the opportunity of accepting is the gospel of Jesus Christ, his rock and his salvation.

Along with bringing the tyranny of the majority upon us and removing the Lord's check upon mass error, we are rejecting the gospel of Jesus Christ as our guide and standard as well.  All this is due to those in high places among us, the Scripture and G&S Committees, who have taken control of the G&S process, usurped authority, and perverted the requirement of the Lord.

When Denver Snuffer was excommunicated, he had this to say:
The Church has Doctrine and Covenants 121, verses 36 to 40, to warn it about abusing His authority. There is an "amen" or end to authority when control, compulsion, and dominion are exercised in any degree of unrighteousness. Therefore, when using authority, great care must be taken. In any case, the church was careless. Therefore, those involved, are now left to kick against the pricks, to persecute the Saints and to fight against God. 
Section 121 is a warning to church leaders. It is addressing the powerful, not the powerless. It is addressing those who occupy the seats of authority over others. Only those who claim the right to control, compel, and exercise dominion, are warned against persecuting the saints, who believe the religion and practice it as I did from the time of my conversion. My excommunication was an abuse of authority. Therefore, as soon as the decision was made, the Lord terminated the priesthood authority of the stake presidency and every member of the High Council who sustained this decision, which was unanimous. Thereafter, I appealed to the First Presidency, outlining the involvement of the 12 and the 70. The appeal gave notice to them all. The appeal was summarily denied. 
Last general conference, the entire First Presidency, the 12, the 70, and all other general authorities and auxiliaries, voted to sustain those who abused their authority in casting me out of the church. At that moment, the Lord ended all claims of the church of Jesus  Christ of Latter-day Saints, to claim it is led by the priesthood. They have not practiced what He requires. The Lord has brought about His purposes. This has been in His heart all along. He has chosen to use small means to accomplish it, but He always uses the smallest of means to fulfill His purposes. 
None of this was my doing. The Lord's strange act, was not, could not, be planned by me. Was not, could not, have been controlled by me. It was not anticipated by me, or even understood by me, until after the Lord had accomplished His will, and made it  apparent to me on the evening of May 1, 2014. He alone has done this. He is the author  of all of this.
Now, the G&S and Scripture Committees are treading the same path as the authorities of the Church.  They, like the Church authorities before them, are not practicing what the Lord requires, and they are forcibly preventing the body from practicing what the Lord requires.

If the G&S and Scripture Committees do what they say they are going to do, then the body cannot be saved.

Joseph Smith taught the following.
I ... spoke to the people, showing them that to get salvation we must not only do some things, but everything which God has commanded. Men may preach and practice everything except those things which God commands us to do, and will be damned at last. We may tithe mint and rue, and all manner of herbs, and still not obey and teach others to obey God in just what He tells us to do. It mattereth not whether the principle is popular or unpopular, I will always maintain a true principle, even if I stand alone in it. (Feb. 21, 1844.) DHC 6:223.
Thus, the body, not being able to do all that God commands due to the disobedience of those in high places among us, cannot be saved.

Only as individuals who are faithful to all things the Lord commands and requires will any from the body be able to be saved.
It is not enough to receive my covenant, but you must also abide it. And all who abide it, whether on this land or any other land, will be mine and I will watch over them and protect them in the day of harvest, and gather them in as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings. I will number you among the remnant of Jacob, no longer outcasts, and you will inherit the promises of Israel. You shall be my people and I will be your God and the sword will not devour you. And unto those who will receive will more be given until they know the mysteries of God in full (A&C, p. 7).
May there be any faithful found among us at the end of all this.

Wednesday, November 29, 2017

Failure to Agree Is Not Opposition.

Remember: you don't have to agree - not with me, not with anyone.
Failure to agree is not opposition.
Opposition is opposition.
Contending against something is opposition.
Explaining why you don't agree is not contention.
You don't have to oppose to not agree.
You can simply not agree.

Without mutual agreement, no G&S which gets adopted fulfills the Lord's requirement.
We have no announced time limit to come to mutual agreement.

And I dissent from any proposal save it be The Rock of Jesus Christ: A Statement of Our Principles.

Monday, November 27, 2017

I Dissent

As of today, 11/27/2017, I hereby formally dissent from each and every G&S proposal pursuant to the A&C both past, present, and future, save one: The Rock of Jesus Christ: A Statement of Our Principles.

I have posted explanations for The Rock of Jesus Christ, and have invited one and all to come and humble yourselves as equals, and reason together openly and publicly concerning this matter in a forum provided for this purpose:  You are all still invited to do so.

It is not my purpose to make you move, for if you move only unwillingly, then you do not agree in your heart even if you feign agreement with your lips.  I will explain why we must all stand on The Rock of Jesus Christ to those who seek an explanation in humility as equals, both openly and publicly, for only if you are persuaded will you move on your own.

Your servant,

Jared Livesey